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Hey guys,

Hope you had a lovely time over the winter holidays. I received the complete Blackadder DVD boxset for Christmas, and a dress-up David Bowie paperdoll from my sisters - delightful.
(And a poster from certain persons Statesside YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE turned up, which is much-appreciated, but I must point out you guys wussed out on labelling the tube-shaped parcel sent to my parents' address as "Contents: David Bowie's d*ck" like you said you would. Chikins.)

Anyhoo.

Many apologies I haven't yet resumed GND (I see little Wednesday spikes in my daily pageview stats and feel mildly awful). I basically spent the last week of the official "holidays" hurriedly finishing off a project that had gotten delayed by Christmas shopping and family obligations. It's another issue of that digital comic I may have mentioned and certainly will again once they get their e-reader format neat and ready for download - it's an unpaid, creator-owned publication and I would immensely appreciate any of my dA watchers helping boost sales - and since it's in English this time and availlable online... Expect a spot of shameless self-promoting on that matter soon.

I think I can safely forecast a new GND page for next week, at the very least. In the meantime, there's the new single and promise of a new Bowie album that could substitute as a fangirl fix, 'cos damn, no one saw that one coming.

Also: 'Rise of the Guardians' gets a 4/5 stars from me and a hearty reccommendation to anyone not quite sure they want to see it. Sure, as far as "the evolution of myths" and "the power of belief sustaining anthropo(or bunny-)(cunni?)morphic personifications/immortals in a symbiotic relationship with humanity", it ain't quite Neil Gaiman or 'Small Gods'-level deconstruction, and there is undeniably a slightly problematic Anglo-centric cultural slant to the Guardians (fyi, France has no form of Jack Frost, and I find it hard to believe he's a familiar personification to peoples living in tropical climes...)(and Bunnymund getting Aboriginal motifs and a boomerang when rabbits are so very very painfully NOT native to Australia, hello reason for releasing myxomatosis on them...) - although nice tip of the hat to the Petite Souris who takes teeth in lieu of fairies over here. Those problems aside, it is a gorgeous film that is just incredibly generous with its visuals (the dream sand! the Nightmares!), dynamic, and finely animated. I see serious progress from the Dreamworks people in how Jack is really rather likeable and sympathetic, when you just know a few years ago he'd've been an insufferable cool dude with snowboarder moves and hip teen lingo because DEMOGRAPHIC APPEAL commercial trawling. They are getting so much better at CHARACTER and storytelling. Maybe less so on the latter, because as previously mentioned, some interesting facets of the Guardians idea are treated rather frustratingly superficially, and the /////// SPOILERS //////// final fate of the bad guy seemed pat, ruthless and hurried - there was a more interesting aesop to be teased out of the story about the usefulness of Fear, methinks, in measured doses and as a teacher... ////////// SPOILERS //////////. So yeah, it kinda feels like more story-polishing time, like is traditionally Pixar's forte, was a little lacking.The voice-acting is a treat, mostly - Frost left me indifferent, but North, BUNNYMUND (that's Hugh Jackman voicing a fluffy bunny, people), and oh my fangirl goosebumps, Pitch, were glorious. Some seriously sexy villainy going on there from Jude Law.
And North's Christmas Elves are the most ridiculously likeable Ugly-Cute critters since Gru's Minions and the closest I have ever seen on-screen to Lixxle/GND goblins.
And really I encourage people to go see it... because it would be nice if this sort of creativity is seen as commercially viable, rather than have Dreamworks churn out more Shrek spin-offs?
(In a similar vein, much as I enjoyed and applaud 'Brave' - 'ParaNorman' needs to win Best Animated Film, plz.)

Bee tee dubs for a few folk asking me about appearance updates in the GND cast and all that, please bear in mind that the Les Mis film ain't been released here yet.

The other major film of the moment being of course The Hobbit.... oh, so many mixed feelings.
Eh, I was all over the place watching that movie. Like, I had forgotten how much Jackson's films toy with my Tolkien love - alternately coaxing and flattering it (Istari trivia! Rhosgobel! that Misty Mountains song sounding just so perfect!!) and then suddenly slapping it in the face like a dead smelly herring with stuff like hurrhurr slobbery Dwarves scraping their shoes on the furniture (Come on - Dwarves of all peoples respect private property!), and being able to sneak out of Rivendell, and oh dear, Sebastian the hedgehog. SEBASTIAN. That's a Baltic Christian name, WTF is it doing in Arda. I mean -

List of things J.R.R. Tolkien did Not do very well as an author:
- Diversity casting
- Getting ON with it.
- Sex and titillation
- Gunfights, drugs, car chases...
- Hide a rather problematic fixation with lineage and hereditary greatness and grey eyes
- Make a case for not having arachnophobia
- Give his important Elf characters names that didn't start with 'F' in the Silmarillion

List of things Tolkien bloody well aced as an author:
- Kickstarting the entire f*cking High Fantasy genre as we know
- World-building
- Epic
- Songs and poetry
- Scenery porn
- Creating, like, at least three functional fictional languages with clear grammatical rules and extensive vocabulary oh, and a coupla alphabets
- Leaving realms upon realms of notes and extra material pertaining to said languages and the cultures of the word he built, as well as dozens of unfinished tales full of minor characters whose names it would be no trouble to recycle Mandos hang whoever named that hedgepig SEBASTIAN.

Some stuff, I understand needs to be changed because movie making =/= writing a book. THAT, was just WTF. This is The Hothouses of Minas Tirith* controversy ALL over again....
Also my inner purist is annoyed they did a shot-by-musical-theme re-enactment of the moth fetching Deus Ex Machina Airlines instead of the Eagles being out on patrol, and changed Gollum's riddle from fish to wind when the whole point of that scene is that he has been living in silence and darkness for years and FORGOTTEN sunshine and wind, and I am so over Jackson's unnecessary additions of video-game-esque run-jump-tumble-platform-escape sequences.
Martin Freeman was impeccable, however.

Also, while Thranduil looks mighty fine, why why WHY no Sons of Elrond in that Rivendell hunting party???

(... Yes. If you go waaaaay back to the beginning of my gallery and my fandoms, I am a big ol'Tolkien nerd first and deepest, for all my love of glitter and tight-pants-beclad glam rockers in makeup. :D )

Cheers all.

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*Hothouses of Minas Tirith: Denethor. Eating tomatoes. In a Western-Europe themed fantasy world. There are issues of both climate and non-native flora going on there.
... Look, just don't get me started on what the movies got wrong, ok? I love them dearly. BUT.
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Le-Smittee Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2013
Scenery porn. *giggle-snorts* I'm terribly sorry. I was happily reading this whole thing, but when I got there I had a hard time not laughing out loud at work. Yes, I am looking at this at work, but don't worry! No one needs my help at the moment, so I had a moment to look at this! So yeah... Didn't want to laugh and get students and fellow tutors attention at my large amusement at those two words put together. I must agree though.
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GothicBlackAngel Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I watched the Hobbit yesterday and I agree with you completely. Although on the Sebastian matter, well the trolls did have english names in the book... to be fair. Although the whole Radagast thing was just plain embarassing.
I wanted to ask you one thing though. Why the hell is Thranduil riding that elk/moose monster thing at the beginning??? WHAT IS THAT THING? Why?
Please note that I have only read LOTR and the Hobbit plus very little from LOTR Appendixes. No Silmarillion etc. I really hoe that elk was not actually in Tolkien somewhere.
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CanannAnGaoithe Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2013  Hobbyist
Your list is so accurate! LOL I've been listening to the Hobbit OST ever since watching the movie (awesome stuff!)
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AudreyGolightly13 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
The only reason I can see for them making Bunnymund Aboriginal is because Hugh Jackman is Australian, and it would give him an opportunity to use his native accent for a change, rather than the Americanized one he usually uses in film.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Professional General Artist
Yesss, but the problematic point there is that the "Australian" accent we know (and love coming from Jackman) is not, technically if one wishes to be culturally sensitive, "native" to Australian Aboriginals - it's the white dudes' talk.
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AudreyGolightly13 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Very true.
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adela-estrella Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I KNOW. Where the hell were the rest of my PEREDHIL!?
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Maeria Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Seconding 'Rise of the Guardians'. South America also has a cute mouse in lieu of the Tooth Faerie (the spanish dub changed her dialogue into something akin to 'oh, he's from the latin division', which melted my heart).
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Indigo-Night-Wisp Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
I haven't been on DA in forever, so I didn't even notice you'd been gone. *makes sorry face* It's not that I don't appreciate you...

I have yet to see Guardians, but I absolutely cannot wait to do so. Even if I probably will have to wait until it comes out on DVD to rent it. From trailers/reviews, it looks/sounds amazing.

Loved The Hobbit. Did think some parts were slightly Jackson-ized (TOTALLY agree with you on the platform thing), but overall, I really think it was great. (Misty Mountains song = awesomeness, for one thing.)

Sons of Elrond meaning the twins? Yes, that would be something...

And on a last note:
I never realized this before watching Sherlock and discovering MF, and then learning who was going to be playing Bilbo, but I've been picturing Martin Freeman as Bilbo since the first time I read the Hobbit. I just didn't know it yet, because I'd never seen Martin Freeman before. But I swear to pita, the person I imagined to be Bilbo, all those years ago, looked EXACTLY like Martin Freeman.

Cheers! Happy New Year!
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DreamingTwilight Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
I very much appreciate your RotG analysis - I hadn't noticed a lot of that when I saw it, although ultimately I liked it, too. I'd be interested in comparing the film to the books. I did notice that Bunns as Australian is ironic, since rabbits there are an invasive species (and, of course, as such, a terrible problem).

I was just thinking, as per your "Hothouses of Minas Tirith: Denethor" comment. Good point, certainly. But it brought to mind the wine "culture"/wine making skills of Dale, and later this seems to have been continued by (inherited by?) the Laketown folks. Now, having been to Ireland, I know that they do not have a climate conducive to wine making (mead, etc., aside) but there are vineyards in England. So my brain did this: compare Irish and English climates, and then compare the English wine-country to my own (in Upstate NY) and we can grow gorgeous tomatoes here. I'm not botanist, but? Middle-Earthen summers seem to get warm and/or hot enough to make tomato growing possible. But I think Pippin and Co. were in MT in the fall? Is that, then, what frustrated you? And I apologize if I just nerded out in your comments, especially if this idea was already addressed.

p.s. That is the sharpest (linguistic) response I have yet to see about the film. I really enjoy the insight in your journals. I'm just curious, but were you (or are you) a lit major in university/college?
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Professional General Artist
The main events in LOTR take place in very early spring - the Hobbits leave the Shire in September (Frodo's birthday), the Company sets out from Rivendell in December, and Victory over Sauron day is March 25th (by Tolkien's "translation" of the Hobbit and Elven calendars to our standards.) So, an odd time for tomatoes, right?

Ha! I'm chuffed. Not really - I just got into some Tolkien-based writing groups back when the triolgy was released and the fandom got big, and from the incredibly erudite discussion going on in those forums, just caught the love of words (and poetry, and a deep appreciation for Shakespeare all my English teachers had failed to convey...)
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DreamingTwilight Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
I admit I'm fascinated by just how nuanced JRRT's writing is, that is allows for these kinds of conversations n____n I also checked out the Encyclopedia of Arda after I sent that post, and they have an interesting page which explains that the conundrum with certain foods in the books is that they are New World foods, where the story/"universe" represents (agriculturally) the Old World. So foods like corn (as it comes across in the books) and potatoes are out of place. And they mentioned tomatoes, too. So, yes, in several ways tomatoes = No Sense At All.
Maybe the filmmakers were really concerned with that crazy English Breakfast, in which the grilled tomato happily features (amidst 20 lbs of assorted meat stuffs)?

Also-also, I'm currently a PhD student in English, and some of the things you've written make me think, "that's bloody brilliant, you could/should write a paper/publish an article about that!" Most folks probably don't enjoy *having* to write essays, though, and you certainly don't need to be a student to be bloody brilliant. So I was just curious :)
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lazybones1 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Rise of the Guardians: Same.

Hobbit: Same. And WHERE did that white orc come from!? I do NOT remember that happening in the book.

And I'm glad your holidays went well and that you enjoyed yourself. :)
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Professional General Artist
Azog is in the Appendices of LOTR, and though never "on-screen" in the Hobbit book, the chronology is correct - except in the original material he is killed in that battle before Moria, and his son is the leader of the Goblins&Wargs at the Battle of Five Armies in the end of 'The Hobbit'. It makes faint sense that they'd expand his character rather than do the son seeking vengeance, although I do not feel his storyline meshed quite seamlessly with the plot/tone of the actual 'Hobbit' events.
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lazybones1 Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah. I was confused the whole time he was on-screen, but that makes sense. I remember his son now, though. So much was going on at that point. Haha. I haven't really ever read the Appendices because I have enough difficulty finishing the regular books in all their descriptive, complex wonder as it is. And I agree, it was kind of forced feeling at times for me.
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Irislady Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Dude I love Blackadder! That show is amazing, have the movie?
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Kiyoko-mai Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Student General Artist
I seriously need to read the books D: maybe I can get my dad to give them to me (if he has them)
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ChibiLeen Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
I happened to read your post just a couple of days before seeing The Hobbit, and some of the moments you mentioned made me laugh all the more during the movie. Sebastian the Hedgehog, in particular, ended up being one of the funniest moments of The Hobbit for me thanks to your comment about it. :)

I am not a Tokien expert at all. I'm really not knowledgeable in terms of Arda lore, and have a very casual approach to Jackson's changes. Some things in the Lord of the Rings movies did upset me (like the lack of Tom Bombadil and Glorfindel, for example), but I'm generally happy with the movies as a visual support for the books.
So the main thing that annoyed me to no end in The Hobbit wasn't any of the changes that were made to the source material, but the way the movie was trying ever so hard to be The Lord of The Rings. The book I remember was a tale written for children, not an epos. I understand the need to try to tie it with the previous trilogy, but this now looks like a fanservice-heavy prequel to LotR loosely based on The Hobbit rather than an adaptation of the book.
I won't complain about the many reprisals from the LotR soundtrack. It was nice to hear familiar themes in familiar places, and that Lorien motif kicking in when the Elves chase the Orcs away sent goosebumps down my spine. I won't even complain about the cameos by LotR characters who should not be there. But the "Bilbo-Catching-The-Ring-With-His-Finger" scene really made me cringe, and so did Thorin the Aragorn wannabe. I loved Richard Armitage's performance, and maybe I'm imagining this, but it really felt like the movie was taking great pains to make Thorin into an Aragorn figure. I guess that NOT hiding Armitage's handsome features under tons of prosthetics and a potato nose is a good thing, but still, the insistence on his background, appearance, bearing and general charisma rather smells of déjà vu.

Thank you for your comments about Rise of the Guardians. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to see it or not, and you helped me make up my mind about it. :) I'll go see it when I have the opportunity.

And finally, Happy New Year! :)
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Psychedelic-Showers Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Rise of the Guardians was beautiful, but character development throughout the movie was....meh. They were gorgeous and worked well as their respected Guardian role, but none of them had any depth. There were no flaws that were overcome and not really a sense of change at the end of the movie. I think they should have spent a bit more time in the writing department instead of focusing so hard on the 'look' of it. Don't get me wrong, I LOVED the visuals, but from the plot perspective I personally think that Wreck-It Ralph was far superior in being an engaging story.

Ooooh the Hobbit. My opinion on that is that as a prequal to the LOTR movie series? Yes, it worked. As a movie adaptation of the Hobbit? No. Just....no. It seemed as if Peter Jackson wanted to recreate the 'epicness' of the LOTR movoies, all the fights, the action, the drama. But the Hobbit to me (when my mother first read it to me for bed time stories, to when I re-read it when I was older) was much more the calm before the storm feeling. There was tension, but it wasn't a life or death constant.

And a little pissed that the last two lines of Gollum's final riddle to Bilbo were cut out. Really? I don't think two lines would ruin the length of the movie, and it just frustrates me that they couldn't even keep that amazingly written riddle intact from the source material.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Professional General Artist
ROTG: Yep. You get that lovely bit with North explaining his layers and his core emotional-element, but not so much the others - I kinda wanted Jack's to be more explicitly the sense of laughing in the face of danger - and damn, for a moment there I though the teeth-stealing plotline was going the 'Hogfather' route....

Hobbit: Yeah, it is kinda hard to bind the new films to the original trilogy in continuity and tone when the Hobbit is a much lighter and whimsical tale than the epic LOTR. The material IS there, there's all the extra texts on the Quest for Erebor and the timeline in the Apppendices that give you a little extra appreciation of the stakes and the background events Thorin and Co. were not party to - but there is a problem with the tone. I Read Somewhere On The Internet that Tolkien actually tried, late in life, to do a re-write of The Hobbit in a more somber/epic tone to make it closer to the rest of his canon, but quickly twigged that wouldn't work; the whimsy and humour and the relatability of Bilbo are just part and parcel of the story. You do need some thrilling scenes in a film to keep people's interest, but... yeah.
I would've preferred, say, the Stone Giants to just be glimpsed in the storm and look impressive, rather than an extra OOOH, PERIL, YOU GUYS! PERIL! moment when, come on, it's the first film, none of these guys are going to die so randomly, quit it.
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Psychedelic-Showers Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
To elaborate on the life or death constant, I meant that while they did run into issues and fights they all were small tremors that only vaguely hinted at the oncoming storm. Not, HEY LOOK GUYS! Let's spend a good ten minutes of movie time escaping from the mountain Indiana Jones style! Oh, and let's throw in masses upon masses of goblins! That'll make it more epic! ( I really don't remember there being that many, I recall it being more of a start of an odd increase in goblins, not a whole bloody army made already. Need to go stalk down my Hobbit copy and fact check it)


And, forgot to add, but I like to call it Deus Ex Mothra. :]
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lucybond Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
My child is mad-keen to see Rise of the Guardians, along with Wreck-It Ralph, but she's scared-silly of Gollum, so I suspect I'll have to wait for the DVD of the Hobbit. I have exciting news, though (not that anyone here knows me, but I have to tell someone!) as we have really good seats for the Phantom of the Opera in London! For the end of this month! We will be one row from the front, right near the middle, and the current Phantom (actually refers to himself as Erik on Twitter and has little teasy semi-in-character chats with his Christine) has said he'll come out and meet us afterwards, squeee!
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013  Professional General Artist
Awesome! Enjoy!
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RogueSareth Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Holy crap I thought I was the only person who took issue with The Hobbit and wasn't just automatically sucking Peter Jacksons dick because hes Peter Jackson.
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WiccanWitch535 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Completely agree!!! I was so disappointed when they ommitted the grey company from return of the king but i figured Elladan and Elrohir would be in the Hobbit!
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Owl-songs Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
I like to consider the hedgehog something of an actor allusion. They could've just called him Martin and been done with it.

Re: sex & titillation, casting Richard Armitage as our favorite Dwarf prince in the film does quite a lot to make up for the books' lack. Let's just say I'm waiting for a North and South themed take on Thorin's backstory, probably to do with a diplomat's daughter (likely non-Dwarf just to amp up the tension and provide a reasonable foundation for her prejudice), full of beautiful, beautiful UST. :giggle:
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Mnimi Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
But....the Wind riddle IS Gollum's? I missed the Fish one too (but he is singing it when he's killing the Goblin, yay?), but the Wind riddle is straight from the book.

I was intensely bothered by the fact that Orcrist didn't glow blue.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Professional General Artist
Neither Orcrist nor Glamdring - but that is at least consistent for the other movies, Gandalf's sword never did glow in LOTR.

... I haven't my copy underhand of the Hobbit, and while the Wind riddle is indeed familiar, the fact that Bilbo gets it thanks to a puff of wind on the lake is NOT in keeping with Gollum's whole hiding away in the blackest, stillest heart of the mountains and getting dreadfully frustrated with Bilbo strirring up memories of the outdoors. I'm quite certain that one was supposed to the Fish riddle - because one of them leaps from the lake onto Bilbo's feet and that is his lucky clue?
Again, I haven't checked my book to confirm but that's my gut feeling on that sequence.
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Mnimi Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
AH, I see what you mean. The cave itself wasn't near as dark and deep as it should have been. And yup, just checked, your remembrance of the Fish one is correct. Then there's also the matter of Bilbo actually GETTING the Time Riddle, instead of just blurting out TIME because he's afraid of getting eaten.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Professional General Artist
... So do either of them say the Wind one? I know there are a few standalone scraps of poetry by Tolkien scattered about outside of the novels, but it did also sound familiar...
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ChibiLeen Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Just checked in my copy of the Hobbit, the Wind riddle is indeed in the book and it is Gollum who says it.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013  Professional General Artist
Well bugger me sideways and call me mortified.
Still no breath of wind on the lake, though. >_<
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CHeMnICORn Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Total agreement there on Guardians being enjoyable, but needing some polishing. I went to it expecting a bit more epic than I got. And definitely agree on the irking changes made to the Hobbit. Some of the best comedy scenes were turned into battle battle battle where the comedy was REALLY NEEDED to keep people interested.

And OMG Brave FTW Pixar movies must win best animated film EVERY YEAR.
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DarkBangle Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Can I just say, your bit on Tolkien there - especially when you swore by Mandos - made me so happy. ^_^
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TheRoseOfManga Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Agreed, good catch on the fish being changed to wind, I wouldn't have caught that as it was hard to hear what they were saying. And Martin Freeman was excellent :D
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caseva Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I thought it was the sun on the daises riddle that stumped Gollum originally.

Guess I'm overdue a reread on that one... as a kid I read it about once a year.
My husband was making fun of me at the theater because I kept speaking the riddles along with the characters in that scene... and the words in the moon letters... and the names of the swords.... probably next time I should just go by myself so I can geek out without interference.
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hoppytoad79 Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
The only Tolkien works that the film rights have been sold for are 'The Hobbit' and 'Lord of the Rings', so PJ couldn't tap into anything else without risking the Severe Displeasure and Upset Reaction of the Tolkien Estate, which has long list of reasons already for loathing and hating the recent film adaptations of The Professor's works. I can totally understand them being irate over the 'Hobbit'-themed slot machines, and I don't think The Professor would be happy at all, as a devout Roman Catholic, about the Lord of the Rings-themed tarot cards. Other things, well, they're welcome to their opinions about the movies. *shrugs* As for him and the others who wrote the script tapping LotR for names, that all depends on if they could legally use what's in LotR in any of the 'Hobbit' films. Film rights and all that legal, headache-inducing stuff.

I rolled my eyes when I saw the moth. Give. Me. A. Break! Some things work no matter how many times they're used. The Deus ex Machina Airlines (love the name!) isn't one of them. Just go with what Tolkien wrote, people. There's a reason 'The Hobbit' has been so popular for so long.

I totally wondered where the Sons of Elrond were, too. Would it really have killed PJ to have them in the orc-hunting party? That was the perfect opportunity! I guess writing in Figwit took priority, or maybe he couldn't use them b/c they don't show up in 'The Hobbit' (if they do, I've forgotten). ;p

I've only read 'The Hobbit' once, so I missed that Jackson and Co. changed Gollum's riddle from fish to wind. Dude, what the heck? I forgave the Elves at Helm's Deep because I could see the reasoning from a cinematic POV. I rather liked the changes that were made to Faramir. Changing Gollum's riddle, there is no excuse for. It does nothing to improve the movie and takes away from Gollum's characterization. BOO! Shame on PJ and Co.!

I have nothing but raves for acting, camera work, and design work, but the video game-esque sequences definitely dimmed my ardor for the film. It felt much too produced and artificial for my liking. I think they got too far from Tolkien. They should have left the story of the albino orc as Tolkien wrote it: with the orc dying after Thorin whacks his arm off. Ah, well. It is what it is. Now, we shall see what comes next.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Professional General Artist
Actually Azog gets his head lopped off in that Battle for Moria they showed, and his son is the one goes after the Dwarves in revenge (but he only shows up at the final battle for the Mountain).

No, they obviously still have the rights to quote and use the LOTR books and the Appendices therein (which have a rather neat timeline of most important events of the saga even those "off-screen" from the main plot), because Radaghast certainly, and methinks Saruman, are never mentioned by name in The Hobbit. And again, I know they had several major-league Tolkien professional geeks experts to coach them in the languages, and those guys could've come up with any number of non-Sebastian names...
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hoppytoad79 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
Ah, yes, I forgot about the Tolkien geeks they had on hand. Yeah, definitely no excuse for using Sebastian.
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KSilvershade Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Not just tomatoes, mind you. Tomatoes in March.

And I know Gondor is supposed to be somewhat southern, but who has tomatoes in March, I ask you?

Perhaps you need to shoehorn Elladan and Elrohir into an upcoming GND strip . . .

racks brain Wait, I thought his riddle was about wind? Wasn't it the "Voiceless it cries" one?
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013  Professional General Artist
Eggsactly.

Darn I need to confirm it with the book, but my gut feeling insists Gollum had no "outdoors"-themed riddles and that "all in mail, never clinking/in the water, never drinking" was missing and that's the one Bilbo gets a lucky clue on when a fish jumps in the underground lake. "Voiceless it cries" DOES sound familiar, but... Ack.
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KSilvershade Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Also, a fan transcript: [link]
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KSilvershade Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
He did "This thing all things devours" but left the last two lines out; and he was singing a song about fish . . .

We need to go see the movie again, and take our books.
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Owl-songs Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
...I have tomatoes in March. :P
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KSilvershade Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
Where?!
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Owl-songs Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2013
California :)
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KSilvershade Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
Aha. Midwest, not so much :)
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Owl-songs Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2013
I have been given to understand that most of the world is not so fortunate as to have fresh local vegetables year-round. :) Then again, actual seasons are nice, hence my decision to relocate to the east coast for university.
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Owl-songs Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
And that is totally not the face I expected. Oops. :giggle:
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xPyro-Kittyx Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
Yeah pretty much excited about next week. I'll get my sister to read the hobbit stuff she's wayyyyy more into it. But I'm stoked for next week!
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