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GND99 - Contrition+Conniptions by Pika-la-Cynique GND99 - Contrition+Conniptions by Pika-la-Cynique
That "does this smell like chloroform" line ain't originally mine, I disclaim.

Anyone else suspect that apologizing doesn't quite fit with Goblin King's idiom...? I'm not sure he even quite fully comprehends the notion.

Oh, and if any of you crazy lurking E/S shippers were about to pounce, those are yellow roses for friendship. (Not that it makes much difference to Jareth, mind you...)

...
So that kinda finally wraps up the Rooftop Dramatics storyline. Wow. Will you look at what number it is next week...


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This is a work of fanart and solely intended for shits and giggles. Not mine, not making money from it.



Sarah and Jareth (c) Lucas, Froud, Henson; Connelly and Bowie
Christine and Erik (c) Leroux and Webber

Based on the original Roommates comic by *AsheRhyder
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:iconfighting-dreamers-94:
Jareth, you are digging your own grave.
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swanofmischief Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*about to pounce* *stops self and retreats to shadows to ship and lurk*
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NightShadow13 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2014
You know, Jareth, maybe if YOU tried giving her flowers - and not enchanting them to, I don't know, put her in world where she doesn't get to wear clothes - Sarah might be a lot nicer to you, too.
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LilMissPeppy Featured By Owner Apr 24, 2014  Student Digital Artist
E/S. I ship it. I ship it so hard.
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Mizuki-chu Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2013
May I note that in light of recent events, the Miley Cyrus thing has become that much worse(better)
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NikiMaweird Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you Erik for punjabbing Jareth. God he is such an jerk!
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Kyndsie Featured By Owner May 18, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Re-reading, as a (temporary) escape from various things-that-need-proper-attention-that-my-brain-can't-handle.

So many people commented on Erik's "kicked puppy face" which I think they kept saying was panel 2, but I'm particularly fond of the crest-fallen panel 4. How he loses height and bearing!!

Oh, and I still adore Jareth's expression as he's "apologizing" to Christine.
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AnaxErik4ever Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2013  Student Writer
Ah, that's my Erik. A gentleman before anything else, and quicker to admit that he's wrong, when the time calls for it, than Jareth is.
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AnaxErik4ever Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2013  Student Writer
You were asking for it Jareth, c'mon. Admit it!
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Cimorine90 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2012
ghahahahahahahaha!!! I don't blame Erik one little bit.
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OrangeHuskie Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2013
neither do i haha! XD
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Cimorine90 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
:D aren't these just AMAZING comics?! :D
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OrangeHuskie Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2013
YESYESYES!!!!!!!
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Kyndsie Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Today's discovery, still on the re-read:

Is that button popping off of Erik's jacket in the penultimate panel? Out of shock / horror / whatever, Erik's losing something, and that's my best guess.

ALSO, in panel 7 (?), when Sarah's yelling at Jareth, I LOVE that she uses the "old-married" technique of yelling about something else (unrelated, and not actually a real issue) first BEFORE getting to the point. The point being that Jareth needs to apologize to Christine, therefore, Sarah knows that all the previous rehash of the Laby adventure stuff isn't really the issue for herself. PLUS Erik's simple apology works for Sarah because there isn't going to be anything deeper than an unusual and non-romantic friendship. So the violation of trust is significantly less of a betrayal than anything that Jareth could / would / might ever do or not do.

And the last panel: Christine's deliberate focus on the glitter in the rug, ignoring Sarah's obvious reaction to Jareth's apology to herself (and Christine would have SEEN Sarah's face during it!) AND Erik's attempted strangulation / punjabbing of Jareth. Perhaps Christine's mindset is that of "ignore it and it will go away", which is actually similar to one way of training pets (ignore unwanted behavior and reward good behavior). Or it's a matter of handling what she knows how to handle in that moment.

I DO wonder how the girls got the boys out of their apartment, and whether or not Sarah kept the flowers or destroyed them while she was in a snit. And how long it took one of them (and which one?) to vacuum the glitter up.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2012  Professional General Artist
:)

Yes, he is button-popping mad.

This whole page is actually interesting in the light of their Conversation some 40 pages later - the whole "Jareth does not get apologies" thing. To quote someone else's observation: Apologizing would require admission of making a poor decision. If it was a poor decision, he wouldn't have made it. Why would he apologize?
And as a Fae monarch, he had yet to meet a situation he couldn't bully or smarm his way out of, and you can't expect Jadis bothered to make the kid say sorry for any mischief. Ergo for Jareth apologies are admissions to failure/weakness, or a mere social nicety people use in their constant playing of one another.
Besides Jareth has a wee issue what with seeing parallels to the despisèd Hoggle in Erik and Sarah's friendship. (see rooftop comment about her irrational fondness for "the pathetic ugly type"). And his "you forgave Higgle in a heartbeat for betraying you" (during the Date) is that same frustrated jealous misunderstanding of what was actually happening between friends (and completely glossing over how Hoggle takes dangerous risks in his effort to make amends saving Sarah from Humonguous), where, while distantly aware he is probably missing something, he tends to believe Sarah is getting manipulated by her emotions of pity and sympathy - again, implicit in the previous page is that he did not take Erik's threats lightly (he does have some insight into the mind of a scorned and desperate [ex]villain...) and that Sarah being nice to him and humouring his kidnapping antics was stupid and dangerously tolerant and trusting of her.
So yeah. Jealousy of Erik and Sarah's friendly rapport, and irritated frustration at how Erik playing by the social rules and acting apologetic actually seems to work and earn him a clean slate.

Kinda some E/S baiting there too, mind you. ^^;

Christine focusing on the rug was actually iirc intended as a displacement activity. Because as annoying a neighbour as he is, Jareth just turned on the full smarmy GK charm with that baise-main and "compliment" and even Christine got a wee bit hot and bothered there.

Sarah kept the flowers. And the rules of the girl's apartment are, Sarah cleans up the glitter, black chickens, Goblin messes and Ludo hairs on the couch; Christine is responsible for rose petals, candle wax in the carpet, underground lakewater stains, and explaining Punjab'd cadavers to the police. (Given the relative frequency of glitter-in-the-carpet, Christine has not quite considered that Sarah's annoyance in being responsible for cleaning up after Jareth is a bit counter-intuitive to her shipping JS.)
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Kyndsie Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
I think I'd like to adopt that phrase "button-popping mad". It's rather unexpected. :D

One of the reasons that I very much enjoy re-reading is catching old stuff in context of current stuff, and seeing how the old stuff might have lead into the current stuff. Re Jadis & apologies for mischief - true, unless said mischief interfered with whatever she had going on at the time. But then she'd have punished him rather than requiring an apology - probably.

I never (NEVER) thought I'd say this, but Jareth has an issue with self-confidence or something along those lines; if he can't see that Sarah gauges his behavior differently because she wants more from him, then he will continue to lose out. The words "jealous misunderstanding" are definitely appropriate. All that coupled with the fact that he dearly wants to protect this girl, out of all manner of mixed motives. His anger and frustration seem to come somewhat from the fact that (at this point) she won't see that he could have helped her; after she asked for help from just about every creature Underground, she still refuses to ask him.

Plus, he doesn't value Sarah's very human emotions of pity and sympathy. I could actually imagine that, given non-interference by anybody, leaving Erik on the roof with Sarah and nobody else appearing, she'd have been able to talk him out of it, as they have a friendly rapport and he does have some gentlemanly instincts and habits. It is also very true that Sarah didn't / doesn't see the true potential for danger in the situation; she seems to willfully see the best in everybody, except for Jareth, which feeds his jealousy even more.

*sigh* (I admit that I'm amused at the E/S moments, and enjoy seeing them because both Erik and Sarah play them up a little, knowing that there's no interest on either side.)

Ahhhhh! That makes sense, too. Note to self: Do not underestimate the utter smexiness of of the full smarmy GK charm.

I wonder if Sarah could train "her" goblins to keep the black chickens away... or at least to clean up glittery residue? :D Then again, the thought of various goblins trying to run a vacuum puts me in mind of all sorts of things that could go wrong, so never mind.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2012  Professional General Artist
Mmm. Something interesting there, about Jareth not seeing value in Sarah's emotions of sympathy and underdog-championing, when he in fact, 1. makes use of them himself in Fluffy Owl Form - or, less cynically, has genuinely thrown himself on her mercy when he was feeling down - and 2. is himself ruler of the court of the Unwanted, for all his bullying.

And I honestly think some of Sarah's chewing him out here stems from genuine if not-quite-conscious disappointment in his antics, as she was *this* close to being thrilled-to-bits by his showing up with Christine and he could definitely've played his hand much, much better than threatening her friend and the attempt at hostage-swap blackmail, and being mean to the already Christine-berated Erik. (In all fairness, he could also've handled things in a far more villainous manner too, say if he'd tried to swap wished-away Raoul for Sarah directly with the Phantom - in Erik's deranged state at that point, that would've put a sore strain on the Fail-field's powers of counteracting and ridiculing truly dramatic villainy.) Yeah, he's angry she didn't call on him, but... at this point in the story... I rather suspect that, after immediately neutralizing any actual threat to her, Jareth would be of a mind to make Sarah bargain for his help and would demand payment - he's far more experienced at being a Fae trickster than a gallant lover.

E/S friendship moments do get up Jareth's nose especially, however, because one can extrapolate from his canon sneers at the notion (and notwithstanding his grand speeches on the topic and actions in 'Roommates') that he has little faith in the idea of "friendship" and suspects selfish and darker motives (presumably considering that in Sarah's case it's a mix of naiveté and a "rescuing-people-thing") and I've commented elsewhere that Erik IS a little confuddled in his mind about Sarah because he's not used to female friendship. And she lives with Christine and he gets that she is a Christine-equivalent for Jareth so there's a lot of mental/emotional association unconsciously going on there... also there's probably something subtle and magical going on in the boys' apartment whereby Erik being so constantly exposed to Jareth's schemes and dreams might well be having some pervasive effect on how he sees Sarah. Jareth is a powerful oneiromancer after all, and a little fixated at present; there's got to be some background magical radiation when you're sharing living quarters with him.

And as to the last point... ah, he ain't King of the Brownies. Goblins aren't the house-cleaning type.
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Kyndsie Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
Hmmm... so he COULD have been a hero, and missed the moment, quite spectacularly. I'm glad that he gets to rescue her later (from Frankie and from the trap door).

So Sarah needs to realize that, for all the real friendship she has with Erik, he is fundamentally not quite stable and safe, and that Jareth really does want to see her safe. Plus accept that Jareth is the absolute monarch of a magical kingdom, and isn't accustomed to explaining anything (not condone his attitude / behavior toward herself or anyone, just understand some of the reason behind it). And Jareth needs to get past his mental block about Sarah's attitude about frienship. Easy, right?

I like the idea of low-level magical radiation impacting Erik.

I'm suddenly getting an image of a "foreign exchange" program gone amok... brownies for goblins, and having them expire from the shock of the condition of the Castle. :) I did think that perhaps Gip might be trainable / bribable, given enough cookies, but goblins plus household appliance requiring electricty is probably not a good idea.

(And so many of these things - except the idea of the goblins cleaning - are already being / have already been kind of addressed, or at least the start of it, in later eps.)
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deideiblueeyez Featured By Owner Aug 21, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
"It was a pleasure manhandling you" .. Oh stop! ... Please go on, Jareth :D
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Admerxin13 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Hand at the level of your eyes, Jere, baby.
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romancefreak Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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LadyDesmoria Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Jareth you brought that one on yourself
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LadyDesmoria Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
again with the poofing and the strangling
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Tiffs-is-my-name Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2012
"You do this just to spite me, don't you?"
GAH! I just love, love, love it.
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TatsukiChan1994 Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I always thought that to him, Jareth always felt that he WAS helping Sarah. It could be argued that he did what he did to her in order to teach her to not take things for granted.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2012  Professional General Artist
To me it basically boils down to how "in control" Sarah is (however unconsciously) of the whole Underground experience. 'Labyrinth' is basically her Heroine's Journey, and Jareth becomes exactly the amount of threat or temptation necessary to her ordeal and *has* very little agency outside this role - which does make his situation rather poignant if you pick up on a sense of his wanting to escape the 'antagonist' part he must play and having his own desires and dreams/knowing he has no existence beyond Sarah's subconscious. In that case, yes, he does EXACTLY what is required of him and isn't appreciated for this fact - then again, he has no choice at all in the matter.
However. If one wants to write Labyfic sequels and the like, Jareth has to become an autonomous character in his own right and the Underground must be "real", not just a projection of a troubled teenager's mind. In which case he needs some characterization of his own, which is not just Sarah's animus/shadow/hormonal frustration transferral, and for that you need to base it on his movie actions... where, despite the over-arching sense of the inevitable confrontation and yeah, him being a "tough teacher" in a way, there are also those moments when he acts downright dickish, sulky, bitter about "friendship", bored by his Goblins, gloating then smitten then stricken, in the Ballroom scene...
Basically, either the Underground and the Goblins are real and Jareth is a very wily and *possibly* smitten villain using every trick in the book to trouble and defeat her and his "lessons" are not quite intentionally helpful - or at least, he wasn't banking on her actually properly defeating him with their aid -
or, if one assumes the whole plot of 'Labyrinth' is for Sarah's benefit, and like I said, her Heroine's Journey/spiritual quest to maturity, the question that remains is how much Jareth is "just" an aspect of the Story who begins and ends within her mind (and possibly, as her creation, gains sentience if not free will and despairs at this), or some other independent entity, the actual Goblin King or not, who gets roped into playing the part of the villain to her heroine by the power of the Story, and is aware of this and struggling against the limitations of his part.


So to get back to what you were originally saying - I think you can believe Jareth *knows* deep down that everything he does as her antagonist is to help her grow, but I'm also pretty sure he wasn't NOT genuinely trying to stop her. Which is quite weird and wonderful, and Jim Henson&Terry Jones were clever, clever storytellers.
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Taragonra Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
lol.
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KAMwuzhere Featured By Owner Jan 26, 2012
at least Jareth learns this time "hand at the level of your eyes"
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blackberryhunttress Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011
They have the most awkward friendship in history, don't they?
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011  Professional General Artist
who and whom? :)
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blackberryhunttress Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011
Jareth and Erik. One day they're at eachother's throats, the next day they're bonding over how to be manipulative and getting the girl.
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2011  Professional General Artist
It's pretty hilarious to write for, really. Because yes, there is some male bonding and sympathy due to similar romantic plights but they definitely don't pull together as well as the girls and neither is quite willing to help the other as far as actually getting their respective girl *first*.
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Wraith-Shade Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011  Student General Artist
I was rereading GND and I've got to say it's simply amazing! Your style is beautiful.

Jareth's and Erik's faces when Jareth is 'apologizing' to Christine are perfect!
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Aug 10, 2011  Professional General Artist
Heheheh. Thanks. That one panel was fun to do. :D
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Layla256 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2011  Student Writer
Sarah knows she loves him. She's just in denial.
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Hokova Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
She likes him.XD
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sheelos5001 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2011
"Miley freaking Cyrus?" LAWL!
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Layla256 Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2011  Student Writer
I love you Avatar. Lloyd from TOS, right?
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sheelos5001 Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2011
Yup!
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Layla256 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2011  Student Writer
It just look so weird. Awesome, but weird.
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Chika1345 Featured By Owner Feb 25, 2011
Every time I look at this comic strip for some reason I want Erik and Sarah to go on a date lmao I know its betraying my heart because I really love Jareth/Sarah together and I'm sure a glittery barn owl is glaring at me for even thinking such a traitorous thought... tell me I'm not the only 1 whose considered that before jareth bogs me
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hawthorne-cat Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2011  Professional General Artist
Jareth does have a few valid points...
but yeah... he's a much better semi evil villain than he is a hero
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Willow98 Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2011
Who the hell is thus erik every one talks bout? o.o
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2011  Professional General Artist
Possible Phantom's name in original novel.
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Willow98 Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2011
OHHHH
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ArchMageLucy Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2011  Student Traditional Artist
Seriously, glitter is a total bitch to clean up.
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petitemerlieu Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
LOL "it was a pleasure to manhandle you, my dear" ROFL! :XD:
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eitherangel Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011
You never drawed Erik without his mask and wig? Any plans in the future?
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Pika-la-Cynique Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2011  Professional General Artist
One possible plotbunny.
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LostTotheHoping Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2010  Professional Writer
They really are mean to Jareth. XD He brings it on himself half the time, tho. hahaha
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